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Kimi K3 and Qwen3.8-Max: Chinese Labs Close Gap with Closed Frontier Models

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7 versions, newest first.

  1. Version 7 2026-08-03 18:27 UTC · 92 items

    Bloomberg's report that Moonshot trains on roughly 20,000 Nvidia chips — possibly H200s — via Alibaba moves the export control debate from a theoretical enforcement problem to a potentially concrete one [^42927]. Third-…

  2. Version 6 2026-08-02 02:08 UTC · 86 items

    DeepSeek's V4-Flash-0731 release (July 31) adds a second Chinese lab to the competitive picture, with Willison describing its pricing as the best value-per-intelligence ratio currently available [^42391]. A public lette…

  3. Version 5 2026-07-30 18:13 UTC · 81 items

    New items this pass are thin on substance: the Trump administration announced a ban on Chinese humanoid robots [^42092] — adjacent to but distinct from the AI model ban under consideration — and social media amplificati…

  4. Version 4 2026-07-28 02:10 UTC · 76 items

    Simon Willison's July 27 post [^41835] confirms K3 weights are now live on Hugging Face and details a licensing change: the K3 license is more restrictive than K2's modified MIT, requiring MaaS businesses over $20M annu…

  5. Version 3 2026-07-23 08:05 UTC · 68 items

    The substantive new development is Nathan Lambert's July 22 follow-up [^41339], which adds three new claims not in the prior synthesis: a direct rebuttal of Ben Thompson's distillation narrative (calling it factually in…

  6. Version 2 2026-07-22 02:10 UTC · 40 items

    The main new development is the Trump administration reportedly reviving a push to ban Chinese AI models following Kimi K3's launch, with officials acknowledging open weights make enforcement nearly impossible [^41299] …

  7. Version 1 2026-07-20 18:09 UTC · 24 items

    Two Chinese open-weight models have reached near-frontier capability: Moonshot AI's Kimi K3, a 2.8 trillion-parameter mixture-of-experts model now released as open weights, and Alibaba's Qwen3.8-Max (2.4 trillion parame…